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- Info-Hams Digest Sun, 30 Jan 94 Volume 94 : Issue 90
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- Today's Topics:
- DSP-9 Filters (and others) -- New Thread
- HY-GAIN TELEPHONE NO.?
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- Date: 28 Jan 1994 15:31:21 GMT
- From: news.cstar.andersen.com!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!rdewan@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: DSP-9 Filters (and others) -- New Thread
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
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- In article <24cTgc1w165w@jackatak.raider.net>,
- Jack GF Hill <root@jackatak.raider.net> wrote:
- >
- >The thread of DSP-9 (etc) Digital Filters and bandwidth/ringing has pretty
- >well wound down, and while I do not mean to fire that discussion up, I am
- >seeking information on a different aspect of these lovely little devices:
- >
- >Several hams using these filters have reported problems, both on the Nets
- >and to the manufacturers, when engaging both the Heterodyne (tone)
- >processing filter *AND* the random noise filter. The audio becomes
- >distorted.
-
- I have noticed this, both, in listening to broadcast stations and in
- listening to demos done using recorded ssb qsos.
-
- >
- >A Ham from Louisiana offered the suggestion, that had been offered him and
- >seemed to work well, that the unit would work OK if the operator would
- >simply turn off their tranceiver's speech processor.
- >
- >There followed a VERY heated argument about how the speech processing
- >circuit processes OUTBOUND audio only and has NOTHING to do with the
- >INBOUND audio going to the processor. However, when the (RF) Speech
- >Processors were turned off, the DSP-9 (and DSP-59 and a few other brands as
- >well) *ALL* responded as they were supposed to...
-
- I checked the schematic of my Kenwood TS850s. The compressor is not in
- circuit during receive.
-
- >
- >The question was immediately raised: "What could the (RF) speech processor
- >have to do with the incoming audio?"
- >
- >I speculated, and am seeking confirmation here, that the *RF* speech
- >processor circuitry is engaged all the time the "compression" button is
- >engaged, that unlike the final amp which is biased to cut-off, the speech
- >processor runs, with no input, all the time. This would explain why the
- >simple turning-off of the processor eliminates the problem, as does moving
- >the DSP unit OFF the top of the radio and placing it a few feet away.
- >
- >A glance at the block diagram of my rig and a quick look at the schematic
- >seems to bear this hypothesis out, but I am still unsure and seek
- >additional input and thought...
- >
- >The real motive is: I have a DSP-9 that I intend to install in my mobile,
- >but I have NO CHOICE about where to position the unit -- it MUST go right
- >on top of the transceiver or not at all. I do NOT use a speech processor
- >for a variety of reasons, but some of my co-pilots do...
-
- I thought that it has more to do with the way in which the de-noiser and
- the auto-notcher work. Crudely spreaking, the auto-notcher removes the
- parts that are highly serially correlated and the denoiser removes the
- parts that are least serially correlated. Both of these depend on the
- time serial correlation characteristics of human voice. But this can
- change with fast fades. Hence the problem.
-
- Rajiv
- aa9ch
- r-dewan@nwu.edu
-
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- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 94 16:52:55 -0800
- From: netcomsv!netcomsv!lavc!lawrence.goodwin@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: HY-GAIN TELEPHONE NO.?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- N> From: Bob.Albert@f943.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Albert)
- N> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
- N> Subject: Hy-Gain telephone no.?
- N> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 19:39:18 -0800
-
- N> Does anyone have an 800 number for Telex/Hy-Gain? My tribander driven
- N> element broke in the earthquake and I want to see if they can supply
- N> parts for it.. 73 DE K6DDX
-
- Hiya Bob. I can't find an 800 number, but the customer service number
- for antenna parts is (402) 465-7022.
-
- Sorry to hear about the damage. You're not the only one though...one of
- my Kenwood 631As bounced around my living room, and took a real beating.
- Fortunately, that was the extent of radio related damage here.
-
- 73 de Larry, KC6WOG@N6YN.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA
- kc6wog@kc6wog.ampr.org
- lawrence.goodwin@support.com
-
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